@AlbinusFalco @FrDesposito Good. Now, my turn: do you accept, and do you think the following (among others) are in accordance with indefectibility: ecumenism; communion to non-Catholics, and to divorce-and-remarried; coran-kisser-JP2 as having practiced virtue at an heroic degree, mass with no consecration
@AlbinusFalco @FrDesposito To this I would answer: indeed I have never seen indefectibility going around outside the window. But the same could be said for example about the unity of the Church. Someone refusing the faith could say that the Church was torn apart by schims and heresies.
@AlbinusFalco @FrDesposito Ok, tell me if I understood correctly: you meant that in appearance the hierarchy defected, so indefectibility is preserved only if we see things through faith and understand that they have no power. What you called invisible "indefectibility." Correct?